"I used these to put up a shelf on old lime stud wall and they held great I used them with out a setting tool I couldn't justify the price for one the only thing with out using one is you need to be careful not to over tighten"
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Review 2 for Fischer HM Plasterboard Anchors M5 x 65mm Pack of 20
"I used these to fix a heavy folding glass shower screen into a plasterboard wall with no stud anywhere nearby. They installed easily and support the screen well and I found no real need for the special insertion tool. Tip: put a little oil on the thread before final tightening, that way you can sense the point when the metal cage deforms more accurately. Be careful not to over-tighten."